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		<title>By: Michael Epstein</title>
		<link>http://zedequalszee.com/2009/11/17/what-does-selling-out-mean-anyway/#comment-2031</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apologies for my long and somewhat disjointed comment here...

I also really see it as a question of a band being able to continue operating.  I can tell you for sure that even when we cut down to bare minimum recording and operating costs, it&#039;s hard to avoid losing money on every recording we make.  Very few people make money selling CDs/MP3s.  In my world, bands that break even are either really successful or essentially not really taking operating as a band seriously.  

My band is at a critical decision stage right now.  We have no way to pay for our next recording and we&#039;ve been unable to agree on any unconventional method for raising money to make the record.  In some sense, for us, it&#039;s a survival situation.  I may ideally really not want a song I am involved with to be in a fast food commercial (or any commercial at all perhaps), but I also want to be able to have this band continue.  Any such opportunity that offers the possibility of making another record is one that would be hard to pass up. I will admit that my &quot;morality&quot; line is ever shifting in the direction of taking the money. 

I would never set foot in McDonald&#039;s or Burger King, but I would probably let them use a song I wrote provided the money was enough to make a difference.  Maybe my justification is that, if I say no, someone else will just say yes and the commercial will be equally effective.  Is my song really going to change things for some giant corporation?  I doubt it.  Would there be significant societal impact?  I doubt it.

For a relatively small amount of money, we licensed a song to a women&#039;s joint vitamin commercial with a large corporate drug store branding.  Would I ever recommend a product like this to anyone?  Absolutely not! I suppose I don&#039;t have any strong negative feeling about this large corporate drug store, apart from the same negative feeling I have about all large, corporate drug stores.  I am fairly sure, however, that the use of these &quot;vitamins&quot; has not been supported by efficacy testing.  Have they been safety tested?  Probably not really sufficiently, but I have no way of knowing.  So, I am effectively encouraging people (with my music) to buy a product that I would actively advise against in a real-life scenario.  I haven&#039;t lost any sleep over it.

Would I allow my song to be used in a KKK recruiting video?  I have to hope that the answer would be no, but if they offered me $1,000,000, would I be able to say no?  If I say yes, it gets harder to justify.  Now, I wonder if my song will convince even one extra person to join the KKK.  What is the potential societal impact of even one more person?  

Sometime in the not-too-distant future, this kind of decision may mean the difference between having a band and not having a band for a lot of people (including me).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for my long and somewhat disjointed comment here&#8230;</p>
<p>I also really see it as a question of a band being able to continue operating.  I can tell you for sure that even when we cut down to bare minimum recording and operating costs, it&#8217;s hard to avoid losing money on every recording we make.  Very few people make money selling CDs/MP3s.  In my world, bands that break even are either really successful or essentially not really taking operating as a band seriously.  </p>
<p>My band is at a critical decision stage right now.  We have no way to pay for our next recording and we&#8217;ve been unable to agree on any unconventional method for raising money to make the record.  In some sense, for us, it&#8217;s a survival situation.  I may ideally really not want a song I am involved with to be in a fast food commercial (or any commercial at all perhaps), but I also want to be able to have this band continue.  Any such opportunity that offers the possibility of making another record is one that would be hard to pass up. I will admit that my &#8220;morality&#8221; line is ever shifting in the direction of taking the money. </p>
<p>I would never set foot in McDonald&#8217;s or Burger King, but I would probably let them use a song I wrote provided the money was enough to make a difference.  Maybe my justification is that, if I say no, someone else will just say yes and the commercial will be equally effective.  Is my song really going to change things for some giant corporation?  I doubt it.  Would there be significant societal impact?  I doubt it.</p>
<p>For a relatively small amount of money, we licensed a song to a women&#8217;s joint vitamin commercial with a large corporate drug store branding.  Would I ever recommend a product like this to anyone?  Absolutely not! I suppose I don&#8217;t have any strong negative feeling about this large corporate drug store, apart from the same negative feeling I have about all large, corporate drug stores.  I am fairly sure, however, that the use of these &#8220;vitamins&#8221; has not been supported by efficacy testing.  Have they been safety tested?  Probably not really sufficiently, but I have no way of knowing.  So, I am effectively encouraging people (with my music) to buy a product that I would actively advise against in a real-life scenario.  I haven&#8217;t lost any sleep over it.</p>
<p>Would I allow my song to be used in a KKK recruiting video?  I have to hope that the answer would be no, but if they offered me $1,000,000, would I be able to say no?  If I say yes, it gets harder to justify.  Now, I wonder if my song will convince even one extra person to join the KKK.  What is the potential societal impact of even one more person?  </p>
<p>Sometime in the not-too-distant future, this kind of decision may mean the difference between having a band and not having a band for a lot of people (including me).</p>
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		<title>By: debcha</title>
		<link>http://zedequalszee.com/2009/11/17/what-does-selling-out-mean-anyway/#comment-2030</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the great comments, tim and meredith.

One thing I see as a common thread is AFP&#039;s idea of &lt;i&gt;violating expectations&lt;/i&gt;. Of Montreal changing their lyrics might fit in that category, but licensing your music to a commercial or a TV show isn&#039;t necessarily seen in that light (unless you&#039;ve positioned yourself and your music as anti-corporate crusaders). Rebellion is no longer the default state of rock&#039;n&#039;roll.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great comments, tim and meredith.</p>
<p>One thing I see as a common thread is AFP&#8217;s idea of <i>violating expectations</i>. Of Montreal changing their lyrics might fit in that category, but licensing your music to a commercial or a TV show isn&#8217;t necessarily seen in that light (unless you&#8217;ve positioned yourself and your music as anti-corporate crusaders). Rebellion is no longer the default state of rock&#8217;n'roll.</p>
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		<title>By: meredith</title>
		<link>http://zedequalszee.com/2009/11/17/what-does-selling-out-mean-anyway/#comment-2029</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[meredith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As someone who is actively involved in attempting to get licensing for indie artists on a daily basis, this is a very fundamental question.  Probably not surprisingly, AFP&#039;s position is the closest to mine.

The sad reality is that for indie musicians, licensing is the best way to get their music heard by a wide audience in one fell swoop.  Radio has long ceased to be an option for this.  Ad agencies have become the A&amp;R gurus, for better or for worse.  And mostly, these days anyway, it seems to be a good thing for the indies.

Two years ago, The Weepies got the biggest boost of their career by becoming the soundtrack to Target&#039;s Xmas campaign -- and suddenly, they didn&#039;t have to worry about where their pending baby&#039;s college fund was coming from.  Is that really a bad thing?  They didn&#039;t compromise any of their principles to do it, and their existing fanbase pretty universally thought it was a really, really cool thing and was happy for them.  (I must admit I was enjoying being able to smugly point to the TV and say &quot;hear that?  Those folks played a house concert at my place once.&quot;  People were genuinely impressed.)

Also, &quot;licensing&quot; covers a lot more than ad agencies putting a song in a commercial.  Do people ever say a band has &quot;sold out&quot; when they hear a song on &quot;Grey&#039;s Anatomy&quot; or in the soundtrack to a movie or video game?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who is actively involved in attempting to get licensing for indie artists on a daily basis, this is a very fundamental question.  Probably not surprisingly, AFP&#8217;s position is the closest to mine.</p>
<p>The sad reality is that for indie musicians, licensing is the best way to get their music heard by a wide audience in one fell swoop.  Radio has long ceased to be an option for this.  Ad agencies have become the A&amp;R gurus, for better or for worse.  And mostly, these days anyway, it seems to be a good thing for the indies.</p>
<p>Two years ago, The Weepies got the biggest boost of their career by becoming the soundtrack to Target&#8217;s Xmas campaign &#8212; and suddenly, they didn&#8217;t have to worry about where their pending baby&#8217;s college fund was coming from.  Is that really a bad thing?  They didn&#8217;t compromise any of their principles to do it, and their existing fanbase pretty universally thought it was a really, really cool thing and was happy for them.  (I must admit I was enjoying being able to smugly point to the TV and say &#8220;hear that?  Those folks played a house concert at my place once.&#8221;  People were genuinely impressed.)</p>
<p>Also, &#8220;licensing&#8221; covers a lot more than ad agencies putting a song in a commercial.  Do people ever say a band has &#8220;sold out&#8221; when they hear a song on &#8220;Grey&#8217;s Anatomy&#8221; or in the soundtrack to a movie or video game?</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
		<link>http://zedequalszee.com/2009/11/17/what-does-selling-out-mean-anyway/#comment-2025</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Kevin Barnes et al. are starting to live down the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mvm6KfJDE0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Outback fiasco&lt;/a&gt;, but it sure sparked a storm then. Heuristic: changing your lyrics is a no-no? A lot of reviewers seemed to spend more time talking about bloomin&#039; onions than the music when they wrote about &quot;Hissing Fauna,&quot; which seemed priggish and beside the point, if maybe only because so much of the album was self-consciously radio-hostile anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Kevin Barnes et al. are starting to live down the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mvm6KfJDE0" rel="nofollow">Outback fiasco</a>, but it sure sparked a storm then. Heuristic: changing your lyrics is a no-no? A lot of reviewers seemed to spend more time talking about bloomin&#8217; onions than the music when they wrote about &#8220;Hissing Fauna,&#8221; which seemed priggish and beside the point, if maybe only because so much of the album was self-consciously radio-hostile anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Epstein</title>
		<link>http://zedequalszee.com/2009/11/17/what-does-selling-out-mean-anyway/#comment-2024</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Epstein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for pointing out these stories.  I was reading through all of it and enjoying even before I got to the extra compelling final paragraph!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for pointing out these stories.  I was reading through all of it and enjoying even before I got to the extra compelling final paragraph!</p>
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